So I just watched the first episode of Gurren Lagann.

I have to say, this is the best anime I've ever seen.

Of course, I've only watched a handful of animes, but still..

I have to say, this is the best anime I've ever seen.

Of course, I've only watched a handful of animes, but still..

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>I've only watched a handful of animes, but still..

That's okay. It was extremely good.

Check out these next if you haven't already:

FLCL

Dead Leaves

Mindgame (Or Mind Game)

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love?

And a currently airing anime called "Kaiji."

That's okay. It was extremely good.

Check out these next if you haven't already:

FLCL

Dead Leaves

Mindgame (Or Mind Game)

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love?

And a currently airing anime called "Kaiji."

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>>9903145

Code Geass is everything that's wrong with anime. Watching it was the single worst thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I regret in my existence, "Watching Code Geass" would sit at number 1.

Code Geass is everything that's wrong with anime. Watching it was the single worst thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I regret in my existence, "Watching Code Geass" would sit at number 1.

Planetes is everything that's wrong with anime. Watching it was the single worst thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I regret in my existence, "Watching Code Geass" would sit at number 1.

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Mushishi is everything that's wrong with anime. Watching it was the single worst thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I regret in my existence, "Watching Mushishi" would sit at number 1.

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Code Geass is everything that's right with anime. Watching it was the single best thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I've enjoyed in my existence, "Watching Code Geass" would sit at number 1.

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Evangelion is everything that's wrong with anime. Watching it was the single worst thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I regret in my existence, "Watching Evangelion" would sit at number 1.

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Gurren Lagann is everything that's wrong with anime. Watching it was the single worst thing I've done in my entire life. This is not a lie, nor it is an exaggeration for impact in writing. If I were to make a list of all the things I regret in my existence, "Watching Gurren Lagann" would sit at number 1.

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>>9903266

People that like it and reasons

Kids: Colorful robot battles.

Teen otaku: It has hotblooded inspirational characters.

Adults: Can appreciate certain literary themes driving the story.

People that don't like it

Kids: Simon didn't get a happy ending.

Teen otaku: Too cool to like a popular show.

Adults: Believe its only for kids.

People that like it and reasons

Kids: Colorful robot battles.

Teen otaku: It has hotblooded inspirational characters.

Adults: Can appreciate certain literary themes driving the story.

People that don't like it

Kids: Simon didn't get a happy ending.

Teen otaku: Too cool to like a popular show.

Adults: Believe its only for kids.

>>9903302

Sorry, I'll try to explain better.

Out of all the anime that have ever been created. Gurren-Lagann is the absolute pinnacle of writing, including, but not limited to: Dialogue, metaphor, theme, and narrative accomplishment.

A far cry from actual literature, but Nakajima has taken a gigantic step in the right direction.

That better?

Sorry, I'll try to explain better.

Out of all the anime that have ever been created. Gurren-Lagann is the absolute pinnacle of writing, including, but not limited to: Dialogue, metaphor, theme, and narrative accomplishment.

A far cry from actual literature, but Nakajima has taken a gigantic step in the right direction.

That better?

>>9903279

I liked Gurren Lagann, but I disliked the fact Simon didn't get a happy ending.

It's almost like they're saying "Saving the universe doesn't net you anything other than losing the best friend you ever had and the only woman you ever loved. Afterwards, no one cares about you anymore. So don't bother saving it."

I liked Gurren Lagann, but I disliked the fact Simon didn't get a happy ending.

It's almost like they're saying "Saving the universe doesn't net you anything other than losing the best friend you ever had and the only woman you ever loved. Afterwards, no one cares about you anymore. So don't bother saving it."

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>>9903387

Gurren-Lagann is not an allegory, nor it is a complete piece of philosophy. Gurren-Lagann is a work that utilizes its potential well and reaches a high point unreached before. It is a gigantic step in the right direction for an intustry that has been walking in circles.

Gurren-Lagann is not an allegory, nor it is a complete piece of philosophy. Gurren-Lagann is a work that utilizes its potential well and reaches a high point unreached before. It is a gigantic step in the right direction for an intustry that has been walking in circles.

I was introduced to Gurren Lagann through my anime club at school, before I'd even heard of 4chan. Watching it was the single best thing I've ever done. Its waaaay better than Naruto. To think, before I watched Gurren Lagann and came to 4chan, I used to think Naruto was amazing, lol I was such a newfag.

Quoted By: >>9903594

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Why GL isn’t a good discussion anymore:

90% of the fun of GL was watching it moments after it hit TT and then talking about it on /a/. The fact that everyone was watching it, and most people were enjoying it made for some great discussion.

If you didn't see it when it came out, watch it, but don't make threads about it. It's fun, but /a/ has heard all about it, and the subject is stale.

It's like Haruhi. The slowpokes who watched it after the craze were just irritating, because the subject had already been done to death.

Because of this, /a/ became a bunch of retarded faggots about a genuinely good anime, but only because even bigger retarded faggots decided to continuously shit out stupid Topics that have already been posted hundreds of times before.

Why GL isn’t a good discussion anymore:

90% of the fun of GL was watching it moments after it hit TT and then talking about it on /a/. The fact that everyone was watching it, and most people were enjoying it made for some great discussion.

If you didn't see it when it came out, watch it, but don't make threads about it. It's fun, but /a/ has heard all about it, and the subject is stale.

It's like Haruhi. The slowpokes who watched it after the craze were just irritating, because the subject had already been done to death.

Because of this, /a/ became a bunch of retarded faggots about a genuinely good anime, but only because even bigger retarded faggots decided to continuously shit out stupid Topics that have already been posted hundreds of times before.

>>9903250

>>9903361

Dialogue? Please, half the dialogue is seeing how long the voice actors can hold a scream before passing out. Every single thing that happens in the plot is predictable, because IT'S ALL HAPPENED BEFORE. The only, and I mean ONLY thing Gurren Lagann has going for it is its fucking amazing animation. If it wasn't for that, you all would've lumped it together with the likes of Naruto, Bleach, etc IMMEDIATELY.

>>9903361

Dialogue? Please, half the dialogue is seeing how long the voice actors can hold a scream before passing out. Every single thing that happens in the plot is predictable, because IT'S ALL HAPPENED BEFORE. The only, and I mean ONLY thing Gurren Lagann has going for it is its fucking amazing animation. If it wasn't for that, you all would've lumped it together with the likes of Naruto, Bleach, etc IMMEDIATELY.

>>9903534

I believe I have watched everything of worth, but you're right, I haven't watched them all.

Let me change my wording: Gurren-Lagann is a literary achievement beyond every anime ever discussed on /a/ at any point in time,

Is that a little bit better?

I believe I have watched everything of worth, but you're right, I haven't watched them all.

Let me change my wording: Gurren-Lagann is a literary achievement beyond every anime ever discussed on /a/ at any point in time,

Is that a little bit better?

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>>9903542

What? Do we even watched the same show? Gurren-Lagann is superbly written. I wouldn't call it actual literature or the top of the media in terms of dialogs, but try watching the show again: every singe line has a very interesting symbolical purpose, a nice rhythm to it and a very theatrical characterization purpose.

What? Do we even watched the same show? Gurren-Lagann is superbly written. I wouldn't call it actual literature or the top of the media in terms of dialogs, but try watching the show again: every singe line has a very interesting symbolical purpose, a nice rhythm to it and a very theatrical characterization purpose.

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>>9903542

>If it wasn't for that, you all would've lumped it together with the likes of Naruto, Bleach, etc IMMEDIATELY.

i'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about after that sentence. now maybe if you said some mecha animes i'd give your post more credibility. you just sound butthurt at this point.

>If it wasn't for that, you all would've lumped it together with the likes of Naruto, Bleach, etc IMMEDIATELY.

i'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about after that sentence. now maybe if you said some mecha animes i'd give your post more credibility. you just sound butthurt at this point.

>>9903573

Show me an example then. After watching GL, I found no allusions, no metaphors, no nothing. I could go on, but this is becoming a dead argument.

>>9903592

Episode 1:

-Distinguish setting

-Show main character

-Show main character's best friend

-Main character finds something

-Someone attacks main character

-Main character uses this thing, which is now apparently very powerful, to defeat this monster

-Somewhere in there, insert lead female role, who has some talent, but can't save the day on her own most of the time.

Show me an example then. After watching GL, I found no allusions, no metaphors, no nothing. I could go on, but this is becoming a dead argument.

>>9903592

Episode 1:

-Distinguish setting

-Show main character

-Show main character's best friend

-Main character finds something

-Someone attacks main character

-Main character uses this thing, which is now apparently very powerful, to defeat this monster

-Somewhere in there, insert lead female role, who has some talent, but can't save the day on her own most of the time.

>>9903722

That's the more simple storyline, not the actual content. From episode one, you can see these metaphors enclosed tightly into the premise behind Kamina's constant claims of a "burning youth" breaking through a "ceiling" towards an idealized heaven of freedom. The physical "ceiling" keeping Jeeha village in the underground is just allegoric of a limitation decided by "those that came before"; a literary reiteration that outlines the complete creative purpose of the narrative. A "youth chained by the foolishness of their ancestors".

That's the more simple storyline, not the actual content. From episode one, you can see these metaphors enclosed tightly into the premise behind Kamina's constant claims of a "burning youth" breaking through a "ceiling" towards an idealized heaven of freedom. The physical "ceiling" keeping Jeeha village in the underground is just allegoric of a limitation decided by "those that came before"; a literary reiteration that outlines the complete creative purpose of the narrative. A "youth chained by the foolishness of their ancestors".

>>9903722

If you're LOOKING for an allusion then you have some digging to do or you obviously need it HANDED to you on a silver platter.

Let's sprinkle in some bullshit about moral dilemmas by making our characters psychopaths or giving them a contrived back story because crazy long definitions of complex philosophical theories are what people want!

Seriously: NAME ME A "DEEP" ANIME AND I'LL OVERSIMPLIFY IT TO MAKE IT SOUND RETARDED.

If you're LOOKING for an allusion then you have some digging to do or you obviously need it HANDED to you on a silver platter.

Let's sprinkle in some bullshit about moral dilemmas by making our characters psychopaths or giving them a contrived back story because crazy long definitions of complex philosophical theories are what people want!

Seriously: NAME ME A "DEEP" ANIME AND I'LL OVERSIMPLIFY IT TO MAKE IT SOUND RETARDED.

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>>9903710

Wut? Simon was drilling a hole for those who would follow later to tomorrow. He refused to try and use Spiral power to bring back Kamina, Nia and all the fallen comrades because "they'd get in the way of the new times" or something like that, EVEN THOUGH Kamina and Nia coming back would've made him happy.

How does he not represent progress?

Wut? Simon was drilling a hole for those who would follow later to tomorrow. He refused to try and use Spiral power to bring back Kamina, Nia and all the fallen comrades because "they'd get in the way of the new times" or something like that, EVEN THOUGH Kamina and Nia coming back would've made him happy.

How does he not represent progress?

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>>9903783

From the same episode, we are presented with the "burden of responsibility". The Elder states it clearly: "I'm not taking care of you orphans because I want to! It's because I'm the elder and it's my task to ensure the future of this village."

From the same episode, we are presented with the "burden of responsibility". The Elder states it clearly: "I'm not taking care of you orphans because I want to! It's because I'm the elder and it's my task to ensure the future of this village."

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>>9903710

His words speak louder than his actions, apparently. During the huge Drildo TTGL/Grand Zamboa smashfest, Simon spewed a lot about the philosophy of progress. He's no longer the opposite of progress if you realize that the humans are ALWAYS progressing during the entire show due to the whole DNA thing. The Anti-Spirals have stopped their's entirely, thus allowing Simon to argue with them about it.

His words speak louder than his actions, apparently. During the huge Drildo TTGL/Grand Zamboa smashfest, Simon spewed a lot about the philosophy of progress. He's no longer the opposite of progress if you realize that the humans are ALWAYS progressing during the entire show due to the whole DNA thing. The Anti-Spirals have stopped their's entirely, thus allowing Simon to argue with them about it.

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>>9903833

Themes:

>"burden of responsibility"

"I'm not taking care of you orphans because I want to! It's because I'm the elder and it's my task to ensure the future of this village."

>"the inevitable":

"It's my destiny to keep digging until being buried under this celling above us."

Themes:

>"burden of responsibility"

"I'm not taking care of you orphans because I want to! It's because I'm the elder and it's my task to ensure the future of this village."

>"the inevitable":

"It's my destiny to keep digging until being buried under this celling above us."

GURREN LAGANN IS DEEP DERP DERP DERP

Seriously, I enjoyed it for what it is, mindless fun with some good animation. I do think thst you fags are reading too deeply into what would be a cliched anime if it weren't for the execution and style.

Saying GL's dialogue has depth and shit is like saying EVA is deep because it uses Christian symbolism.

FUCK YOU GAINAX

Seriously, I enjoyed it for what it is, mindless fun with some good animation. I do think thst you fags are reading too deeply into what would be a cliched anime if it weren't for the execution and style.

Saying GL's dialogue has depth and shit is like saying EVA is deep because it uses Christian symbolism.

FUCK YOU GAINAX

Quoted By: >>9903997

No, the drill is a symbolic representation of human's DNA, spiraling upwards and evolving to meet new challenges.

Sometimes I wonder if you faggots actually watched this shitty show, or have over analyzed it to the point where you no longer remember the actual themes and motifs?

Sometimes I wonder if you faggots actually watched this shitty show, or have over analyzed it to the point where you no longer remember the actual themes and motifs?

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>>9903949

Thank you, that's the point I'm trying to get across. If I wanted to, I could take apart Bleach for christ's sake and find all sorts of "advanced literary techniques" and form an argument that sounds well enough over the internet. What I REALLY want to know is why every single time Gurren Lagann is degraded by someone, its fans call up Zeus and have him whip up a shitstorm, but if someone were going to spout stuff about my favorite anime (Which I'll actually reveal. For all you trolls out there, en garde!) Death Note, I'll just laugh a bit and scroll further down to see what else /a/ has to say.

Thank you, that's the point I'm trying to get across. If I wanted to, I could take apart Bleach for christ's sake and find all sorts of "advanced literary techniques" and form an argument that sounds well enough over the internet. What I REALLY want to know is why every single time Gurren Lagann is degraded by someone, its fans call up Zeus and have him whip up a shitstorm, but if someone were going to spout stuff about my favorite anime (Which I'll actually reveal. For all you trolls out there, en garde!) Death Note, I'll just laugh a bit and scroll further down to see what else /a/ has to say.

>The youth will tear on ahead!

>The youth will aim for the Surface!

>Snap out of it already!

>There's no such thing as your "Surface!"

>Above ground, there's no walls, no ceiling!

>There's nothing but a shining blue sky!

>Your father always rambled about dreams like that!

>In the end, he died as nothing more than a placemat for the rocks!

>The youth will aim for the Surface!

>Snap out of it already!

>There's no such thing as your "Surface!"

>Above ground, there's no walls, no ceiling!

>There's nothing but a shining blue sky!

>Your father always rambled about dreams like that!

>In the end, he died as nothing more than a placemat for the rocks!

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>>9903984

>smilies

:)

Also.

>A simile is a figure of speech in which two or more objects are compared to draw attention to their similarities. In English, similes are typically marked by use of "like" or "as". Similes are a specific form of allegory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

I'm not seeing your point really. How does a simile or metaphor suddenly lessen GL's themes?

>smilies

:)

Also.

>A simile is a figure of speech in which two or more objects are compared to draw attention to their similarities. In English, similes are typically marked by use of "like" or "as". Similes are a specific form of allegory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

I'm not seeing your point really. How does a simile or metaphor suddenly lessen GL's themes?

>>9903984

This anon is correct, "like" or "as" is only present in *most* English literature to introduce simile comparisons, and I doubt any of you understand Japanese literature enough to argue that the comparison is metaphoric in nature.

This anon is correct, "like" or "as" is only present in *most* English literature to introduce simile comparisons, and I doubt any of you understand Japanese literature enough to argue that the comparison is metaphoric in nature.

>>9904018

>If I wanted to, I could take apart Bleach for christ's sake and find all sorts of "advanced literary techniques"

No you couldn't, because it wouldn't be consistent.

>my favorite anime (Which I'll actually reveal. For all you trolls out there, en garde!) Death Note,

That explains a lot, actually. I no longer even need to argue with you.

>If I wanted to, I could take apart Bleach for christ's sake and find all sorts of "advanced literary techniques"

No you couldn't, because it wouldn't be consistent.

>my favorite anime (Which I'll actually reveal. For all you trolls out there, en garde!) Death Note,

That explains a lot, actually. I no longer even need to argue with you.

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>>9904039

>Listen to me and remember well!All we have is this village.

>Opening the roof has been forbidden for generations!

>Day after day...

>Do you want to live like this, always fearing earthquakes?

>THERE'S NO ROOF ABOVE GROUND!

>LOOKING AFTER YOU ORPHANS ISN'T AN ACT OF CHARITY!

>It's because I'm the village elder!

>I have an obligation to look after the people of the village!

>Listen to me and remember well!All we have is this village.

>Opening the roof has been forbidden for generations!

>Day after day...

>Do you want to live like this, always fearing earthquakes?

>THERE'S NO ROOF ABOVE GROUND!

>LOOKING AFTER YOU ORPHANS ISN'T AN ACT OF CHARITY!

>It's because I'm the village elder!

>I have an obligation to look after the people of the village!

Quoted By: >>9904191

>>9904052

A simile is a type of metaphor. English classes have drilled into us that 'the moon was like a pie' is a simile and 'the moon was a pie' is a metaphor, but the truth is that all similes are ALSO metaphors. Think of them as the square and rectangle of the literary world.

A simile is a type of metaphor. English classes have drilled into us that 'the moon was like a pie' is a simile and 'the moon was a pie' is a metaphor, but the truth is that all similes are ALSO metaphors. Think of them as the square and rectangle of the literary world.

>>9904122

Eh? Weakness? A cliffhanger is designed to keep you wondering. I suppose it isn't the only reason now that I think about it. It's also one of the only anime where I tried to guess how the story was going to progress next and was wrong every single time, because it didn't use tried-and-true methods just because they've worked in the past, like Gurren Lagann did.

Ah, but we're derailing the subject, aren't we? I knew that would be good troll-bait.

Eh? Weakness? A cliffhanger is designed to keep you wondering. I suppose it isn't the only reason now that I think about it. It's also one of the only anime where I tried to guess how the story was going to progress next and was wrong every single time, because it didn't use tried-and-true methods just because they've worked in the past, like Gurren Lagann did.

Ah, but we're derailing the subject, aren't we? I knew that would be good troll-bait.

Quoted By: >>9904502

>What is a person?

>Eh?... Well, a person is something like us, that looks like this, and has a face...

>There are others, too?

>Huh? Ah, yes, there are...

>Really? Are they all like you? Do they have a face like yours?

>We're not the same. If we had the same face, it would be disturbing.

>Eh?... Well, a person is something like us, that looks like this, and has a face...

>There are others, too?

>Huh? Ah, yes, there are...

>Really? Are they all like you? Do they have a face like yours?

>We're not the same. If we had the same face, it would be disturbing.

Quoted By: >>9904282

I really should stop hitting the Submit button before I'm done. Before someone tries to counter my last statement, after Lord Genome was defeated, GL used cliffhangers often as well. Don't try that shit on me please. Also, I said myself the show has fucking amazing animation. I never once called it a bad anime. Just not "HOLY FUCK THE BEST SHIT EVER ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA" like its fans make it out to be. Its akin to all the rabid variety of Nintendo fans going apeshit when Twilight Princess got 8.8. I'm calling the show "decent", and pointed out one of its flaws.

And look what happened. Immediate shitstorm.

And look what happened. Immediate shitstorm.

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>>9904191

. . . However, some describe similes as simply a specific type of metaphor (see Joseph Kelly's The Seagull Reader (2005), pages 377-379). Most dictionary definitions of both metaphor and simile support the classification of similes as a type of metaphor, and historically it appears the two terms were used essentially as synonyms.

Despite the similarity of the two figures, and the fact that they have historically been used as synonyms, it is the distinction between them which is normally focused upon when the terms are introduced to students. Ironically, "not knowing the difference between a simile and a metaphor" is sometimes used as a euphemism for knowing little about rhetoric or literature. Of course, someone truly versed in rhetoric understands that there is very little difference between metaphor and simile, and that the distinction is trivial compared to, for example, the difference between metonymy and metaphor. Nonetheless, many lists of literary terms define metaphor as "a comparison not using like or as", showing the emphasis often put on teaching this distinction.

. . . However, some describe similes as simply a specific type of metaphor (see Joseph Kelly's The Seagull Reader (2005), pages 377-379). Most dictionary definitions of both metaphor and simile support the classification of similes as a type of metaphor, and historically it appears the two terms were used essentially as synonyms.

Despite the similarity of the two figures, and the fact that they have historically been used as synonyms, it is the distinction between them which is normally focused upon when the terms are introduced to students. Ironically, "not knowing the difference between a simile and a metaphor" is sometimes used as a euphemism for knowing little about rhetoric or literature. Of course, someone truly versed in rhetoric understands that there is very little difference between metaphor and simile, and that the distinction is trivial compared to, for example, the difference between metonymy and metaphor. Nonetheless, many lists of literary terms define metaphor as "a comparison not using like or as", showing the emphasis often put on teaching this distinction.

>>9904282

How many times have I used the words "cliche" and "predictable"? Sure, you can argue that those are both personal to the individual watching the show, especially the latter, but it's kind of easily proven that Gurren Lagann uses the same plots and themes as numerous anime out there, with only slight things changed around.

I don't really care if I'm being trolled by now, as I just fucking love to argue, even if it's about nothing.

How many times have I used the words "cliche" and "predictable"? Sure, you can argue that those are both personal to the individual watching the show, especially the latter, but it's kind of easily proven that Gurren Lagann uses the same plots and themes as numerous anime out there, with only slight things changed around.

I don't really care if I'm being trolled by now, as I just fucking love to argue, even if it's about nothing.

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>>9904434

I believe that this was a "metaphor" (LOL I'm an idiot and dont even know what this means, so I'll throw it out there and hope no Literary majors lurk /a/) for the Anti Spirals DEEP SEEDED RAGE AND HATRED, and release of his energy was him giving up the role as PROTECTOR OF THE UNIVERSE LOL GENIUS, GL IS THE BEST AND MOST LITERARY SIGNIFICANT SHOW EVER, everything is "symbolic".

AND, its true because I said it, and if you disagree, you have no tastes

I believe that this was a "metaphor" (LOL I'm an idiot and dont even know what this means, so I'll throw it out there and hope no Literary majors lurk /a/) for the Anti Spirals DEEP SEEDED RAGE AND HATRED, and release of his energy was him giving up the role as PROTECTOR OF THE UNIVERSE LOL GENIUS, GL IS THE BEST AND MOST LITERARY SIGNIFICANT SHOW EVER, everything is "symbolic".

AND, its true because I said it, and if you disagree, you have no tastes

thats the problem with series like GL and a site like 4chan GL ended,4chan doesn't for people that watched it months ago theres it was good but theres noting left to say about it and they will get anoyed by it, and nobody will stop talking about it until another anime around its caliber comes out(and there are barely any qualitie animes that come out like it,so its prb just going to get more anoying when people post about it ).... its going to get beat to death until this place can get something good to feed off of.until then every one is going to prety much have keep having to put up with the gl postes

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The reason /a/ hates GL more and more is the fanboyism. Troll GL a little and it's a shitstorm. NOTHING IS SAFE FROM TROLLING. Stop the fanboyism and just enjoy the gaiafags who just found out about GL getting trolled to death.[/spoilers]

>>9904517

If anything, these threads have shown me what a shitface I was for enjoying a show that, like all Gainax shows, aims to enlist pompous know-nothing faggots to defend the show's "meaning" and "value."

If anything, these threads have shown me what a shitface I was for enjoying a show that, like all Gainax shows, aims to enlist pompous know-nothing faggots to defend the show's "meaning" and "value."

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>>9904556

My heart aches for you. I hope that some day you will actually be able to enjoy high quality entertainment like Gurren-Lagann. Maybe it will happen when you mature.

Either way, I do hope that an excellent show comes along that's outright ignored by mainstream. That way you can experience true enjoyment. I'm not saying this to troll you or to make you angry through sarcasm. I really want you to have this experience.

My heart aches for you. I hope that some day you will actually be able to enjoy high quality entertainment like Gurren-Lagann. Maybe it will happen when you mature.

Either way, I do hope that an excellent show comes along that's outright ignored by mainstream. That way you can experience true enjoyment. I'm not saying this to troll you or to make you angry through sarcasm. I really want you to have this experience.

Quoted By: >>9904675

>Father!

>Grieve not, my daughter!

>The soul that once fell into a sea of despair and weariness has fallen away!

>Even with this temporary body, it will give me satisfaction being able to create a future for the Spirals!

>Yes. You're certainly right.

>N...ia... you...

>Simon.

>You're here, with me now, because you always did what you had to do.

>Isn't that right?

>Yes... Yes, I got it.

>I'll win this fight. No matter what it takes.

>Grieve not, my daughter!

>The soul that once fell into a sea of despair and weariness has fallen away!

>Even with this temporary body, it will give me satisfaction being able to create a future for the Spirals!

>Yes. You're certainly right.

>N...ia... you...

>Simon.

>You're here, with me now, because you always did what you had to do.

>Isn't that right?

>Yes... Yes, I got it.

>I'll win this fight. No matter what it takes.

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The problem with cirno is that he cares about what others think of gl. It's as if his own enjoyment of it will decrease if someone says anything bad about it. Thus he feels the need to sit on /a/ all day, waiting for his chance to take up his holy crusade and tell them how wrong their opinion is.

Just like xbox/ps2/wii fanboys in /v/.

Just like xbox/ps2/wii fanboys in /v/.

>>9904599

I enjoy various literature to a far greater extent at the local public library, and expand my understanding of the world through people's life works and experiences rather than child-targeted, corporate driven mass media cartoons.

I watch anime for raw entertainment and an occasionally more engulfing form of media, not for the purpose literary analysis.

I enjoy various literature to a far greater extent at the local public library, and expand my understanding of the world through people's life works and experiences rather than child-targeted, corporate driven mass media cartoons.

I watch anime for raw entertainment and an occasionally more engulfing form of media, not for the purpose literary analysis.

>Remember this well.

>This drill rips holes through the Universe.

>That hole will become a path for those who follow us.

>The wishes of the defeated, and the hopes of everyone who follows...

>With those two thoughts weaved into a double-helix spiral, we'll carve the path to tomorrow!

>That is Tengen-Toppa.

>That is Gurren-Lagann.

>My drill is the drill that pierces the heavens!

>This drill rips holes through the Universe.

>That hole will become a path for those who follow us.

>The wishes of the defeated, and the hopes of everyone who follows...

>With those two thoughts weaved into a double-helix spiral, we'll carve the path to tomorrow!

>That is Tengen-Toppa.

>That is Gurren-Lagann.

>My drill is the drill that pierces the heavens!

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>>9904714

Each form of pure entertainment has limitations. Real Literature, however, is usually pursued for gaining more than just entertainment, whether it be enhanced understanding of a theme or concept, worldly knowledge, or gaining understanding of a certain person or group of persons at a certain time or in a certain situation.

Books and the written word have all transcended these boundaries, anime, movies, TV, etc, has yet to do so, as it remains a highly budgeted, profit driven form of media, unlike most classical literature.

Each form of pure entertainment has limitations. Real Literature, however, is usually pursued for gaining more than just entertainment, whether it be enhanced understanding of a theme or concept, worldly knowledge, or gaining understanding of a certain person or group of persons at a certain time or in a certain situation.

Books and the written word have all transcended these boundaries, anime, movies, TV, etc, has yet to do so, as it remains a highly budgeted, profit driven form of media, unlike most classical literature.

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>A place you don't know about.

>Because I've realized.

>Realize wha..what?

>That you and I can never coexist.

>The Spiral Nemesis brings about destruction throughout this Universe.

>In order to prevent that,

>we, the Anti-Spirals exist.

>The Core Drill you possess, is the symbol of the Spiral Nemesis.

>The Spiral Power that will destroy this universe.

>Because I've realized.

>Realize wha..what?

>That you and I can never coexist.

>The Spiral Nemesis brings about destruction throughout this Universe.

>In order to prevent that,

>we, the Anti-Spirals exist.

>The Core Drill you possess, is the symbol of the Spiral Nemesis.

>The Spiral Power that will destroy this universe.

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>When Lord Genome was defeated, you said you'd go facing tomorrow.

>You and I, with the humans coming to the surface.

>You were there to build that tomorrow.

>Will you destroy it with your own hands?

>I'll grasp that tomorrow!

>So step aside! I'm begging you!

>You and I, with the humans coming to the surface.

>You were there to build that tomorrow.

>Will you destroy it with your own hands?

>I'll grasp that tomorrow!

>So step aside! I'm begging you!

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>>9904849

A true literary translation requires a far greater understanding of the text (or in this case speech) than literal Japanese understanding would contain. The good people who translate Gurren Lagann have the Japanese proficiency of a teenager-preeteen at *best* and therefore are definitely not qualified to carry over any literary devices or other significance into English.

A true literary translation requires a far greater understanding of the text (or in this case speech) than literal Japanese understanding would contain. The good people who translate Gurren Lagann have the Japanese proficiency of a teenager-preeteen at *best* and therefore are definitely not qualified to carry over any literary devices or other significance into English.

>>9904873

I can't have an intellectual conversation with you. You are refusing to enjoy things in the animated medium beyond face value solely because the writing will never be literature.

I honestly wish I could make you see that your mindset is wrong. I really wish I could get you to expand your mind and look at just how well the writing (even if it isn't literature) is structured and blends in with the animation that makes full use of the medium itself.

But instead, you cripple yourself because the writing itself will never be as good as books. This does nothing but fill me with pity for you.

I can't have an intellectual conversation with you. You are refusing to enjoy things in the animated medium beyond face value solely because the writing will never be literature.

I honestly wish I could make you see that your mindset is wrong. I really wish I could get you to expand your mind and look at just how well the writing (even if it isn't literature) is structured and blends in with the animation that makes full use of the medium itself.

But instead, you cripple yourself because the writing itself will never be as good as books. This does nothing but fill me with pity for you.

>>9904945

This point relates to the authors "purpose" which was vaguely touched upon earlier in this thread. Gurren Lagann, being a product of mass conceptualization with the purpose of selling DVDs to a largely literary illiterate population, would have little reason for intricate figurative language and literary devices. Finding these things in a work made by people/studios/companies which have no apparent motivation to include them is grasping at straws, and is the same reason why anime has never had serious discussion among intellectuals (even Japanese intellectuals) at any levels.

This point relates to the authors "purpose" which was vaguely touched upon earlier in this thread. Gurren Lagann, being a product of mass conceptualization with the purpose of selling DVDs to a largely literary illiterate population, would have little reason for intricate figurative language and literary devices. Finding these things in a work made by people/studios/companies which have no apparent motivation to include them is grasping at straws, and is the same reason why anime has never had serious discussion among intellectuals (even Japanese intellectuals) at any levels.

>>9905008

Actually, Gurren-Lagann is pretty much Imaishi's pet-project. But I agree that it isn't the product of an individual. It was actually conceived to bridge the ideas of new and old animators, but everyone in the staff brought their own personality into the mix. Nishigori, Nakajima, Imaishi, Ootsuka... they all had their own creative visions that got intertwined for the final product.

But no, they never placed the concept of "selling DVDs" over their actual creative purpose, which is still distilled due to the whole production set-up.

If you know Japanese, read a little of it on Style.Fm.

Actually, Gurren-Lagann is pretty much Imaishi's pet-project. But I agree that it isn't the product of an individual. It was actually conceived to bridge the ideas of new and old animators, but everyone in the staff brought their own personality into the mix. Nishigori, Nakajima, Imaishi, Ootsuka... they all had their own creative visions that got intertwined for the final product.

But no, they never placed the concept of "selling DVDs" over their actual creative purpose, which is still distilled due to the whole production set-up.

If you know Japanese, read a little of it on Style.Fm.

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>>9905008

>made by people/studios/companies which have no apparent motivation to include them

Nakajima's very presence is an indication that they're meant to be included. I'll forgive you for not knowing who that is, though.

>>9904977

In the den of the dull, daft, and strange - the intelligent is absurd.

>made by people/studios/companies which have no apparent motivation to include them

Nakajima's very presence is an indication that they're meant to be included. I'll forgive you for not knowing who that is, though.

>>9904977

In the den of the dull, daft, and strange - the intelligent is absurd.

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>>9905072

Read here: http://www.style.fm/as/13_special/mini_080104a.shtml

It's basically the same as FLCL: Gainax having fun since they're all animation geeks.

Read here: http://www.style.fm/as/13_special/mini_080104a.shtml

It's basically the same as FLCL: Gainax having fun since they're all animation geeks.

>>9905072

Out of all Anime studios, Gainax is the second most (second to Sunrise) profit oriented company. They developed a successful approach with evangelion, i.e., fake depth and symbols, and have been largely carrying that formula for a good portion of their releases. You would be sadly mistaken to believe that non animator company management has no control over the studio's products (see episode 4, and the lack of any episode 4-like episode after it).

Out of all Anime studios, Gainax is the second most (second to Sunrise) profit oriented company. They developed a successful approach with evangelion, i.e., fake depth and symbols, and have been largely carrying that formula for a good portion of their releases. You would be sadly mistaken to believe that non animator company management has no control over the studio's products (see episode 4, and the lack of any episode 4-like episode after it).

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>>9905137

>the lack of any episode 4-like episode after it

There were episodes given to other directors after episode 4. Do your research.

I know you were using them before, but your use of logical fallacy is out of control at this point.

>the lack of any episode 4-like episode after it

There were episodes given to other directors after episode 4. Do your research.

I know you were using them before, but your use of logical fallacy is out of control at this point.

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>>9905077

However, it remains so that animator's whos works do not sell well are not employed for any duration of time, therefore, there is an overriding motivation for any "creative" producer to output something that will be accepted on a mass scale.

Analysis of motivation is one of the primary methods of investigating any work for value, I doubt very much you know of this one Gainax animator beyond his work or media attention surrounding him, therefore, I doubt you can come to the conclusion that the motivation to output a good product for DVDs and ratings has no bearing on this one particular person.

However, it remains so that animator's whos works do not sell well are not employed for any duration of time, therefore, there is an overriding motivation for any "creative" producer to output something that will be accepted on a mass scale.

Analysis of motivation is one of the primary methods of investigating any work for value, I doubt very much you know of this one Gainax animator beyond his work or media attention surrounding him, therefore, I doubt you can come to the conclusion that the motivation to output a good product for DVDs and ratings has no bearing on this one particular person.

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>>9905279

I'll be honest, I dont know who he is and assumed he worked with Gainax since we are talking about Gurren Lagann, but my main point was that these animators work in a constricted, profit driven environment (again, see episode 4 for the results of "personal expression" and creativity on the behalf of a guest director).

I'll be honest, I dont know who he is and assumed he worked with Gainax since we are talking about Gurren Lagann, but my main point was that these animators work in a constricted, profit driven environment (again, see episode 4 for the results of "personal expression" and creativity on the behalf of a guest director).

>>9905442

I'm not addressing it because it's a logical fallacy. You're assuming that there cannot be creativity in a money driven field. While that may be true some times, it's most certainly not absolute.

You should judge the actual work, and not the environment it comes from. What you're doing is almost as bad as the people who say shonen can't be good because it's shonen. (Unless you're one of those people too, in which case, I hate you)

I don't need to know that Code Geass is a marketer's wet dream and creation to pick apart how shit it is. See my point?

I'm not addressing it because it's a logical fallacy. You're assuming that there cannot be creativity in a money driven field. While that may be true some times, it's most certainly not absolute.

You should judge the actual work, and not the environment it comes from. What you're doing is almost as bad as the people who say shonen can't be good because it's shonen. (Unless you're one of those people too, in which case, I hate you)

I don't need to know that Code Geass is a marketer's wet dream and creation to pick apart how shit it is. See my point?

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>>9905504

Creativity can certainly be found in a profit driven field, but only in the sense that it will help with sales. While Gurren Lagann and Code Geass both target the same audience, they have gone about making their product more appealing in different ways, which is largely common and encouraged in any industry.

The best analogy I have is in Historiography, whereby one analyzes an author's motivations in relation to their Historical commentary. If, say, the author's publisher is Princeton, it can be considered reputable because Princeton would have likely allowed the author to express his thoughts fully due to Princeton's own motivation of claiming a fully intellectual book.

If their publisher was "Random House," their work can be almost nullified, since Random House, as a publisher of media to the masses, would edit a Historian's commentary for readability and making it agreeable to the majority of readers.

Another example was a book by Zora Neale Hurston, "Their Eyes Were Watching God," where the government and the WPA completely funded her book in order to produce the most untainted cultural portrait of US post-slavery blacks.

Creativity can certainly be found in a profit driven field, but only in the sense that it will help with sales. While Gurren Lagann and Code Geass both target the same audience, they have gone about making their product more appealing in different ways, which is largely common and encouraged in any industry.

The best analogy I have is in Historiography, whereby one analyzes an author's motivations in relation to their Historical commentary. If, say, the author's publisher is Princeton, it can be considered reputable because Princeton would have likely allowed the author to express his thoughts fully due to Princeton's own motivation of claiming a fully intellectual book.

If their publisher was "Random House," their work can be almost nullified, since Random House, as a publisher of media to the masses, would edit a Historian's commentary for readability and making it agreeable to the majority of readers.

Another example was a book by Zora Neale Hurston, "Their Eyes Were Watching God," where the government and the WPA completely funded her book in order to produce the most untainted cultural portrait of US post-slavery blacks.

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>>9905628

>Creativity can certainly be found in a profit driven field, but only in the sense that it will help with sales.

And yet, the fact that it helps with sales is irrelevant. It's still creativity. Yes, I would love to see unbridled creativity from a completely funded artist who isn't afraid of it failing in the market, but that doesn't mean I am incapable of appreciating the achievements made under those restrictions.

Judge a work on its own merits.

>Creativity can certainly be found in a profit driven field, but only in the sense that it will help with sales.

And yet, the fact that it helps with sales is irrelevant. It's still creativity. Yes, I would love to see unbridled creativity from a completely funded artist who isn't afraid of it failing in the market, but that doesn't mean I am incapable of appreciating the achievements made under those restrictions.

Judge a work on its own merits.

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>>9905724

Sorry, Im tired and cant really phrase things well.

What I meant is that Im usually incapable of distinguishing good from bad, unless its obvious pandering. Maybe Im addicted to cheap entertainment and cant look deeper unless I watch the anime again.

If you will flatter me, how do YOU know good from bad anime?

Sorry, Im tired and cant really phrase things well.

What I meant is that Im usually incapable of distinguishing good from bad, unless its obvious pandering. Maybe Im addicted to cheap entertainment and cant look deeper unless I watch the anime again.

If you will flatter me, how do YOU know good from bad anime?

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>>9905715

I certainly do judge works on their own merits, hence my view that anime will not contain any value beyond mass appeal. Anime studio executives will not allow themes to be illustrated which are not popular, thus GL is limited to pure entertainment in the sense that the themes will always have mass appeal, rather than reflect the author's feelings, and it is not really worthy of the high praise some people feel necessary to bestow upon this high budget production show.

I certainly do judge works on their own merits, hence my view that anime will not contain any value beyond mass appeal. Anime studio executives will not allow themes to be illustrated which are not popular, thus GL is limited to pure entertainment in the sense that the themes will always have mass appeal, rather than reflect the author's feelings, and it is not really worthy of the high praise some people feel necessary to bestow upon this high budget production show.

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>>9905795

Well, anime with high production values tend to be the best, even though it's still not guaranteed that it will be good at all (See production IG). So I usually just stick to whatever has good animation.

I do watch everything else for at least a few episodes. The way I tell if it's bad or not is by first looking for any meaning or direction. For example, a show I actually like, but isn't very good - Bamboo Blade - is pointless. It's just a simple story about a (girl's) kendo club. There's no real purpose, meaning, or theme behind that. Its likability is based purely on how you like the characters, setting, and premise.

Sometimes an anime can be more than that, though. Even without meaning, purpose, or thematic elements, a show can be enjoyed with direction and animation alone. That just takes a good sense of asthetics. If you don't already have that - school can help. (But going to school for anime is pointless, so just fuck it, and enjoy what you want)

I just looked over my post, and it's pretty shit, but I'm going to submit it anyway. There are plenty of things that make something in the animated medium "Good." These are just a few. (Also, I picked on Bamboo Blade because I like it. Didn't want to offend anyone)

Well, anime with high production values tend to be the best, even though it's still not guaranteed that it will be good at all (See production IG). So I usually just stick to whatever has good animation.

I do watch everything else for at least a few episodes. The way I tell if it's bad or not is by first looking for any meaning or direction. For example, a show I actually like, but isn't very good - Bamboo Blade - is pointless. It's just a simple story about a (girl's) kendo club. There's no real purpose, meaning, or theme behind that. Its likability is based purely on how you like the characters, setting, and premise.

Sometimes an anime can be more than that, though. Even without meaning, purpose, or thematic elements, a show can be enjoyed with direction and animation alone. That just takes a good sense of asthetics. If you don't already have that - school can help. (But going to school for anime is pointless, so just fuck it, and enjoy what you want)

I just looked over my post, and it's pretty shit, but I'm going to submit it anyway. There are plenty of things that make something in the animated medium "Good." These are just a few. (Also, I picked on Bamboo Blade because I like it. Didn't want to offend anyone)